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BAILED OUT EUROPEAN COUNTRIES SHOULD DEFAULT ON THEIR LOANS
Defending: Romania
- Anca-RalucaApostol
- Andreea Lupascu*
- Cezar Manea
- Paun Mihai Andrei
Opposing: England
- Haris.Shafi
- JahangirShafi*
- zohajamil
Bailed out European countries should default on their loans
Yes, because... Introduction
The concept of bailed out countries reffers to the financial help offered by foreign entities (organisations, banks) to states that an on the verge of facing bankrupcy or failure. (1) In order for bailed out countries to prosper they will have to somehow regain competitiveness with the other economically stabile countries, thus implying focusing on the country’s recovery rather than paying back the loans. Greece’s economy continues to shrink, while Ireland’s seems to have stopped losing ground but has yet failed to grow. Unemployment is above 14 percent in Ireland and even higher in Greece. Datas imply that it is mandatory to adopt a more radical solution in order to cope with the situation and stop the crisis from spreading. What the affirmative team sustains in this debate is that a debt default (a haircut) is a more promissing way to tackle the problem. The term reffers to a partial payment of debt towards the creditors, recalculating the sum according to the ability of the state to cover it. Though setting default on the loans of the EU-bailed out countries might seem like a huge demand for the creditors, it is a worth it. Rescheduling the term of the loan and recalculating it might be the answer for the situation ongoing right now.The leap of faith that we are discussing is the key, because it also implies a reassessment on the agreements between the creditor and the debtor, and also a shorter grip on the debtor, which implies a better cooperation. The proposition team will take Greece, Ireland, and Portugal as points of reference in this debate.
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Bailed out European countries should default on their loans
Yes, because... Continued bailouts have proven an ineffective and potentially damaging alternative for Eurozone countries.
We begin our argumentation by highlighting the fact that the European Union has realized the menace of a bankruptcy of an Eurozone member, slowly accepting that harsher concessions are needed in order to avoid the chain reaction about to be triggered. The main problem of the bail-out mechanism envisioned as a solution by the EU is that it is based on paying urgent debt with money provided by other debts. Having lost the market confidence, the bonds created by such a plan come with higher and higher interest rates, which created a snowball effect by worsening the burden these countries have to bare. First of all, a disadvantage of the bail-out system is that most of the creditors of these three countries are foreign. By giving away large sums of money, the funds are not reintegrated in their economies by further investments that would produce profit. In other words, the countries mentioned are entering in a black whole not having assured a mechanism for them to re-activate their economies. Secondly, the high interest rates (5.6 % in the case of Ireland, 9.5 % in the case of Portugal and 15% in the case of Greece) (1) have the effect of increasing the debt that the bonds were supposed to cover. Thus, the bailout helps with the liquidity on the spot, increasing the deficit in the long term. This is a reason why even after receiving loans to exit de crisis, Greece still has a 140% debt-GDP ratio. Without a default, the balance is estimated to reach 178% in 2018, whilst the recommended ratio is not supposed to exceed 90%. (2) Lastly, there is a powerful impact of the austerity measures imposed in order to offer the loans, affecting the innocent taxpayers. It is debatable whether the states these have the total responsibility of the situation they find themselves in now. The case of Greece raises many questions regarding the indulgent attitude the EU had towards countries entering the Eurozone. 1. http://www.voanews.com/english/news/economy-and-b 2 2. http://www.ze
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Bailed out European countries should default on their loans
Yes, because... The default would ensure an economical growth in the long term.
The question we have to answer to is why the risks of a default are less threatening than continuing to loan money to these countries for them to pay their constantly accumulating debts.
A default would help spread and reduce the debt shock. 70% of Greece’s creditors are foreign entities that would each suffer a proportional, smaller and more bearable loss by not receiving back the sums of money they loaned. Though the cost is clear from their part, on a large scale it is preferable to have the various creditors suffer than concentrating the whole burden to a single state.
Having analyzed Greece’s situation, Citi Bank concludes that the most sustainable solution for the country is to apply a 42% haircut, in addition to improving the fiscal discipline and make privatization efforts. Thus, they estimate that the debt-GDP ratio could fall below 90% in 2013 and below 60% in 2020. (1) To be clear, we are not denying that there are some unwanted side-effects of this measure, amongst them a reduced access to capital markets as creditors would lose their trust, and also a need for recapitalizing the banks affected by the default. However, as the study points, starting with 2013 Greece would be able to re-enter into the capital markets, and thus, sustainably recover. Moreover, it is the only solution that would reduce the pressure of the unpopular austerity measures.
The example of Argentina’s default sustains the line of reasoning mentioned above. The country’s economy started growing again with a surprising 7%, only two years after the measure was imposed. (2)
1. http://www.zerohedge.com/article/citi-expects-76-haircut-greek-debt-and-95-if-country-waits-4-years-debtgdp-ratio-back-down-6 2. http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/poverty-matters/2011/aug/09/debt-crisis-europe-poor-countries-benefit
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Decision by Adjudicator: Leela Koenig
Since there is no opposition from England to this case, there is not much to decide from my part.
I have placed some feedback on each of the three points made by Team Romania in the comments section.
Good luck to Romania in the next round!
Point 1. Introduction
The concept of bailed out countries reffers to the financial help offered by foreign entities (organisations, banks) to states that an on the verge of facing bankrupcy or failure. (1) In order for bailed out countries to prosper they will have to somehow regain competitiveness with the other economically stabile countries, thus implying focusing on the country’s recovery rather than paying back the loans. Greece’s economy continues to shrink, while Ireland’s seems to have stopped losing ground but has yet failed to grow. Unemployment is above 14 percent in Ireland and even higher in Greece. Datas imply that it is mandatory to adopt a more radical solution in order to cope with the situation and stop the crisis from spreading. What the affirmative team sustains in this debate is that a debt default (a haircut) is a more promissing way to tackle the problem. The term reffers to a partial payment of debt towards the creditors, recalculating the sum according to the ability of the state to cover it. Though setting default on the loans of the EU-bailed out countries might seem like a huge demand for the creditors, it is a worth it. Rescheduling the term of the loan and recalculating it might be the answer for the situation ongoing right now.The leap of faith that we are discussing is the key, because it also implies a reassessment on the agreements between the creditor and the debtor, and also a shorter grip on the debtor, which implies a better cooperation. The proposition team will take Greece, Ireland, and Portugal as points of reference in this debate. 1. http://www.investorwords.com/7757/bailout.html
Hi Team Romania,
Thanks for posting your points. I cannot really judge a debate in which the opponents have unfortunately had to withdraw, but I will provide a few comments on your points nonetheless. None of these comments will be very revolutionary, because I think you did a fine job all in all, but I do have some minor points for improvement.
All the best, Leela
I think you give a good introduction of the facts surrounding the bail outs and what a default is. However, why the default is the better solution than now is left a bit too much to the imagination. I would have also like to know a bit more on what you mean with 'leap of faith'. It sounds really interesting as a stance, but I am not entirely clear on who is making a leap towards what. I think a clearer description of this leap of faith would have answered to me why a default has the potential of actually being a better solution. As a judge I need to compare your policy with whatever the opposition would have suggestion as a better policy so not only do I then need to know what your policy is, but equally what the unique benefits are and why that makes your policy better. I think adding just 2/3 sentences on this would have been sufficient given the quality of the rest of this point, but it would have been an important 2/3 sentences.
Point 2. Continued bailouts have proven an ineffective and potentially damaging alternative for Eurozone countries.
We begin our argumentation by highlighting the fact that the European Union has realized the menace of a bankruptcy of an Eurozone member, slowly accepting that harsher concessions are needed in order to avoid the chain reaction about to be triggered.
The main problem of the bail-out mechanism envisioned as a solution by the EU is that it is based on paying urgent debt with money provided by other debts. Having lost the market confidence, the bonds created by such a plan come with higher and higher interest rates, which created a snowball effect by worsening the burden these countries have to bare. First of all, a disadvantage of the bail-out system is that most of the creditors of these three countries are foreign. By giving away large sums of money, the funds are not reintegrated in their economies by further investments that would produce profit. In other words, the countries mentioned are entering in a black whole not having assured a mechanism for them to re-activate their economies. Secondly, the high interest rates (5.6 % in the case of Ireland, 9.5 % in the case of Portugal and 15% in the case of Greece) (1) have the effect of increasing the debt that the bonds were supposed to cover. Thus, the bailout helps with the liquidity on the spot, increasing the deficit in the long term. This is a reason why even after receiving loans to exit de crisis, Greece still has a 140% debt-GDP ratio. Without a default, the balance is estimated to reach 178% in 2018, whilst the recommended ratio is not supposed to exceed 90%. (2) Lastly, there is a powerful impact of the austerity measures imposed in order to offer the loans, affecting the innocent taxpayers. It is debatable whether the states we are discussing about have the total responsibility of the situation they find themselves in now. The case of Greece raises many questions regarding the indulgent attitude the EU had towards countries entering the Eurozone. 1. http://www.voanews.com/english/news/economy-and-b
Firstly, why are you highlighting the fact that the EU realized that we need harsher concessions? What does that do exactly for the rest of your argumentation? If you mean that a default is an example of such a harsh concession, then say it explicitly. I am sure this realization of the EU is in some way in favour of your case, but how it is exactly that is not entirely clear to me.
You give a clear and persuasive description of how bail outs perpetuate the problem, but again, how a default combats that arrives rather late in your argument and receives a rather casual reference. If you take a clearer statement from the start you can leave your most of your analysis as it is, but again, as a judge it is clearer to me what policies I am comparing with eachother. So, for example instead of a label like "Continued bailouts have proven an ineffective and potentially damaging alternative for Eurozone countries." you can phrase it a bit more like a short summary of your argument like this "defaulting on the loans is the best way to prevent the perpetuation of the problems in the bailed-out economy.' or something like that. I am not saying that your argument or lable is bad or not clear or anything, but your burden of proof is not only describing that bail outs have devastating consequences, but also how exactly a default combats those and that therefore the default is a good thing.
Point 3. The default would ensure an economical growth in the long term.
The question we have to answer to is why the risks of a default are less threatening than continuing to loan money to these countries for them to pay their constantly accumulating debts.
A default would help spread and reduce the debt shock. 70% of Greece’s creditors are foreign entities that would each suffer a proportional, smaller and more bearable loss by not receiving back the sums of money they loaned. Though the cost is clear from their part, on a large scale it is preferable to have the various creditors suffer than concentrating the whole burden to a single state.
Having analyzed Greece’s situation, Citi Bank concludes that the most sustainable solution for the country is to apply a 42% haircut, in addition to improving the fiscal discipline and make privatization efforts. Thus, they estimate that the debt-GDP ratio could fall below 90% in 2013 and below 60% in 2020. (1) To be clear, we are not denying that there are some unwanted side-effects of this measure, amongst them a reduced access to capital markets as creditors would lose their trust, and also a need for recapitalizing the banks affected by the default. However, as the study points, starting with 2013 Greece would be able to re-enter into the capital markets, and thus, sustainably recover. Moreover, it is the only solution that would reduce the pressure of the unpopular austerity measures.
The example of Argentina’s default sustains the line of reasoning mentioned above. The country’s economy started growing again with a surprising 7%, only two years after the measure was imposed. (2)
1. http://www.zerohedge.com/article/citi-expects-76-haircut-greek-debt-and-95-if-country-waits-4-years-debtgdp-ratio-back-down-6 2. http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/poverty-matters/2011/aug/09/debt-crisis-europe-poor-countries-benefit
Great first sentence, I love it when debaters tell me what they think their burdens of proof are and then continue to prove them. Keep up that strategy!
Again, it is only here that I get the clearest description of wht a default is better and although it is perfectly fine to make it your 3rd point and you give some excellent examples, I would advice to spread these examples out a bit more rather than waiting for your 3rd point.
In this argument you also mention a, seemingly (for a non-economist), new and independent point regarding the pressure of the unpopular austerity measures. Why is there a problem with the fact that there is this pressuer, and why should I, as a judge, care? If you think this is an important matter in this debate, perhaps this could have been an independent point on its own and you could have included some other things of this argument with your second point.
I think it's also strategically wise to admit that you realize that there are some negative side-effects to this policy. I am not sure your response would have been sufficient if your opponent would have casted sufficient doubt over whether Greece would, as you claim, recover in 2013, but given the absence of an opponent that is hard to assess right now. In any case, I would have like to see a but more analyses than a reference to a study. You want to persuade the jduge that they believe this study is true and is going to turn out the way it does, so a few sentences on that would have completed and strengthened that response.