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IS ROMANIA`S GOVERNMENT PROPOSAL TO CHANGE THE ROMA NAME WITH A PEJORATIVE TERM BASED SOLELY ON LINGUISTIC REASONS?
"Although the 1.5 million strong Roma minority in Romania are marginalised ... there has been some progress in terms of recognising their rights. Central to this progress is the right to self-identification and the use of the word "Roma". If the Romanian state were to do away with this term it might strike a chord with nationalists but it would insult the Roma population and send an international signal that Romanians are prejudiced – not the kind of message that is needed when delicate negotiations about Romania's entry into the EU's visa-free Schengen area are underway." - Rupert Wolfe-Murray, freelance writer based in Bucharest.
Is Romania`s government proposal to change the Roma name with a pejorative term based solely on linguistic reasons?
Yes, because... The Romanian goverment does not have to ask other ethnic groups how they should be called in romanian language.
The Romanian goverment does not have to ask other ethnic groups how they should be called in romanian language. There is already in romanian language a widely used name for this ethnic group, and that is "ţigan" (pronounced "tzigan") in english that is gypsy. They can call themself however they want in their own language, but they should not try to impose words or names in other languages. The name "ţigan" is also related with the names used for gypsies in other languages, for example: zigeuner from german language.
Is Romania`s government proposal to change the Roma name with a pejorative term based solely on linguistic reasons?
No, because... The word “tigan” ...
Just tweeted this: @iDebate The Romanian "Tzigan" for "Gipsy" is less pejorative than their "Roma", "Romani", etc.. they come from India not Rome, idiots! #EU If you're more idiot than thinkable just ask me to argue more, I will :)
"... The word “tigan” ... is associated in the collective memory of the Roma with the slavery that existed in Romania from 1385 to 1856, and also the forced deportations in WW2." - the protest letter of Romanian Romani groups to heads of state at a recent OSCE summit in Kazakhstan.
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Yes, Roma originate from North-West Indostan, but while living there they were from diverse ethnic and social groups. They become the nation in a Bysantine Empire around XIV century. And the Bysantine Empire was known as "Eastern Roman Empire" those days. That`s why the ancestors of these people started to call themselves "Roma".
Notice, that relative ethnic groups in Iran, Central Asia and Arabic countries do not have such self-title. And the reason for it is that after the exodus from Indostan they did not reach "Eastern Roman Empire", but went to other destinations.
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Is Romania`s government proposal to change the Roma name with a pejorative term based solely on linguistic reasons?
No, because... The proposal would reinforce old stereotypes and prejudice
"The proposal is a matter of concern as it would reinforce old stereotypes and prejudice. It would also be inconsistent with Romania's international obligations. The preferences of the Roma in Romania as to how they want to be referred to should be respected." - Andrzej Mirga, head of the OSCE/ODIHR contact point for Roma and Sinti issues.
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Is Romania`s government proposal to change the Roma name with a pejorative term based solely on linguistic reasons?
No, because... They are using the Roma as objects of discourse
The Romanian goverment does not have to ask other ethnic groups how they should be called in romanian language. There is already in romanian language a widely used name for this ethnic group, and that is "ţigan" (pronounced "tzigan") in english that is gypsy. They can call themself however they want in their own language, but they should not try to impose words or names in other languages. The name "ţigan" is also related with the names used for gypsies in other languages, for example: zigeuner from german language.
"The reality is that the Romanian government was arrogant enough to take ownership in deciding to rename the Roma people without asking their opinion. They are using the Roma as objects of discourse and not as active human subjects." - Ivan Ivanov, Executive Director of European Roma Information Office (ERIO).
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Is Romania`s government proposal to change the Roma name with a pejorative term based solely on linguistic reasons?
No, because... The proposal’s stigmatising effect breaches the right to human dignity
The proposal is also clearly in opposition to article 2 of the Treaty on European Union, which defines the EU as ”founded on the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities”. The proposal’s stigmatising effect also breaches the right to human dignity, which is enshrined as inviolable in the European Charter for Fundamental Rights.
Ruus Dijksterhuis Executive Director ERGO Network
Point 1. The Romanian goverment does not have to ask other ethnic groups how they should be called in romanian language.
The Romanian goverment does not have to ask other ethnic groups how they should be called in romanian language. There is already in romanian language a widely used name for this ethnic group, and that is "ţigan" (pronounced "tzigan") in english that is gypsy. They can call themself however they want in their own language, but they should not try to impose words or names in other languages. The name "ţigan" is also related with the names used for gypsies in other languages, for example: zigeuner from german language.
Point 1. The word “tigan” ...
"... The word “tigan” ... is associated in the collective memory of the Roma with the slavery that existed in Romania from 1385 to 1856, and also the forced deportations in WW2." - the protest letter of Romanian Romani groups to heads of state at a recent OSCE summit in Kazakhstan.
Just tweeted this: @iDebate The Romanian "Tzigan" for "Gipsy" is less pejorative than their "Roma", "Romani", etc.. they come from India not Rome, idiots! #EU If you're more idiot than thinkable just ask me to argue more, I will :)
I guess I am an idiot then. I am, also, in agreement with you that you will argue this to the end! I don't have that long, perhaps you should listen.
Point 2. The proposal would reinforce old stereotypes and prejudice
"... The word “tigan” ... is associated in the collective memory of the Roma with the slavery that existed in Romania from 1385 to 1856, and also the forced deportations in WW2." - the protest letter of Romanian Romani groups to heads of state at a recent OSCE summit in Kazakhstan.
Point 3. They are using the Roma as objects of discourse
"The reality is that the Romanian government was arrogant enough to take ownership in deciding to rename the Roma people without asking their opinion. They are using the Roma as objects of discourse and not as active human subjects." - Ivan Ivanov, Executive Director of European Roma Information Office (ERIO).
@ValeryNovoselsky You are a Russian perverting everything. Romanians never wanted the Gypsies to call themselves Roma, Rroms, Romani and such.. only and idiot Russian with brains full of vodka and schizophrenia can think that, mister Executive Director. Nobody in Romania, government included, wants to take ownership on Gypsies and rename them in such a confusing mode, mister Executive Idiot. There was no slavery in Romania, cretinozoon Russian! Gypsies were brought in Romania by the Turks.
Wow Dinesco, sounds like you have a lot of problems. You just keep holding up that thumb and index finger, Sunshine
The Romanian goverment does not have to ask other ethnic groups how they should be called in romanian language. There is already in romanian language a widely used name for this ethnic group, and that is "ţigan" (pronounced "tzigan") in english that is gypsy. They can call themself however they want in their own language, but they should not try to impose words or names in other languages. The name "ţigan" is also related with the names used for gypsies in other languages, for example: zigeuner from german language.
The Romanian goverment does not have to ask other ethnic groups how they should be called in romanian language. There is already in romanian language a widely used name for this ethnic group, and that is "ţigan" (pronounced "tzigan") in english that is gypsy. They can call themself however they want in their own language, but they should not try to impose words or names in other languages. The name "ţigan" is also related with the names used for gypsies in other languages, for example: zigeuner from german language.
Point 4. The proposal’s stigmatising effect breaches the right to human dignity
The proposal is also clearly in opposition to article 2 of the Treaty on European Union, which defines the EU as ”founded on the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities”. The proposal’s stigmatising effect also breaches the right to human dignity, which is enshrined as inviolable in the European Charter for Fundamental Rights.
Ruus Dijksterhuis Executive Director ERGO Network