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WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS TO COMPILING THE OFFICIAL DATA ON ROMA ETHNICITY?
"The year 2010 marks the half-way point of the Decade of Roma Inclusion. It is a logical place for the 12 participating Decade countries to assess their progress to date so they can ensure that their initiatives are on track and are effective ... Yet five years later, the lack of data about Roma communities remains the biggest obstacle to conducting any thorough assessment of how governments are meeting their Decade commitments ... This data deficit prompted the Open Society Foundations’ Roma Initiatives to ask the basic questions that guided this report: What are the barriers to governments compiling or generating data disaggregated for ethnicity?..." - Read more on http://www.soros.org/initiatives/roma/articles_publications/publications/no-data-no-progress-20100628
What are the barriers to compiling the official data on Roma ethnicity?
Yes, because... Widely spread
The Roma are spread out throughout the whole of Europe. This makes it more difficult to compile data than simply carrying out a census in one country. Instead the project would need to be coordinated across all members of the European Union. Something that would take both time and money. Both of which in the current recession are in short supply.
What are the barriers to compiling the official data on Roma ethnicity?
No, because... Decadence has not to be measured when it is obvious
At the startpoint of the Decade, no data were asked to the government so that they justify the need of participating in it. In other words, the disastrous situation was simply assumed and none thought of contesting this assumption. Once more in the recent history, this assumption was only valid for Central and Eastern European countries, while in the "Traditionally Free and Democratic Europe", everything was supposed to be OK. A few time later, everyone could see the meravellous situation of Rromani people in Italy, France, Switzerland or Germany: pogroms, deportations, ethnic filing, forced evictions etc. However, this did not mean that elsewhere, in the countries involved in the Decade, the situation improved. What happened in Hungary isn't but the worst illustration of a worsening situation everywhere.
Is this degradation the effect of the Decade? Maybe not. Who could say what the situation would be if the Decade never started? Maybe some old Rromani woman used to read the future on the palms of people. Maybe someone else as well (auditors, analysts etc.). In any case, one thing seems rather clear: in the last five years, those who mostly advocated for collection of ethnic data were people like Maroni, and they started collecting them. This caused, and rightly so, strong reactions on behalf of civil society, including on behalf of structures belonging to Soros network or working very closely with it. Now, here we are again with a change: "no data - no progress", says OSI. Decadence, when obvious, does not need figures, and Decadence is there. One just needs to go to the field and open his/her eyes. Therefore, should we read rather "there is no progress because there are no data"? Everyone has the right to try for justifying his failures. However, when the justifications are fallacious and have negative consequences (in this case the constitution of ethnic data which the kind of use in the future is uncertain), it is better not to put them forward. This is a question of pure ethics and according to some (including myself) it is more important than the financial sustainability of a program that in midterm has not proved efficient (I'm saying so in order to be moderate).
Best ethical regards,
Saimir MILE Association "La voix des Rroms" http://www.lavoixdesrroms.org
Point 1. Widely spread
The Roma are spread out throughout the whole of Europe. This makes it more difficult to compile data than simply carrying out a census in one country. Instead the project would need to be coordinated across all members of the European Union. Something that would take both time and money. Both of which in the current recession are in short supply.
Point 1. Decadence has not to be measured when it is obvious
At the startpoint of the Decade, no data were asked to the government so that they justify the need of participating in it. In other words, the disastrous situation was simply assumed and none thought of contesting this assumption. Once more in the recent history, this assumption was only valid for Central and Eastern European countries, while in the "Traditionally Free and Democratic Europe", everything was supposed to be OK. A few time later, everyone could see the meravellous situation of Rromani people in Italy, France, Switzerland or Germany: pogroms, deportations, ethnic filing, forced evictions etc. However, this did not mean that elsewhere, in the countries involved in the Decade, the situation improved. What happened in Hungary isn't but the worst illustration of a worsening situation everywhere.
Is this degradation the effect of the Decade? Maybe not. Who could say what the situation would be if the Decade never started? Maybe some old Rromani woman used to read the future on the palms of people. Maybe someone else as well (auditors, analysts etc.). In any case, one thing seems rather clear: in the last five years, those who mostly advocated for collection of ethnic data were people like Maroni, and they started collecting them. This caused, and rightly so, strong reactions on behalf of civil society, including on behalf of structures belonging to Soros network or working very closely with it. Now, here we are again with a change: "no data - no progress", says OSI. Decadence, when obvious, does not need figures, and Decadence is there. One just needs to go to the field and open his/her eyes. Therefore, should we read rather "there is no progress because there are no data"? Everyone has the right to try for justifying his failures. However, when the justifications are fallacious and have negative consequences (in this case the constitution of ethnic data which the kind of use in the future is uncertain), it is better not to put them forward. This is a question of pure ethics and according to some (including myself) it is more important than the financial sustainability of a program that in midterm has not proved efficient (I'm saying so in order to be moderate).
Best ethical regards,
Saimir MILE Association "La voix des Rroms" http://www.lavoixdesrroms.org
The main point is there is no will among the majorities in Europe to have clear number on Roma, there are several reasons: 1. If there is exact number something concrete should be done!!! 2. With new wave of racism if we do not have exact number we will not have exact number of Roma victims!!! 3.Until there is no exact number projects, programmes with no clear/exact results should be expected and implemented, so the majority can continue with making profit out of Roma issue, inventing numbers they need and writing nice reports. 4. No clear numbers, as the Roma community keeps quite, the ones who are not existing officially have no rights, and they are represented by "integrated" Roma leaders who very often feel a shame of those "not-existing". As well those leaders do benefit from not clear situation, as once they can say there 100 000 and next time even 800 000, so why not???!!!! 5. Nobody really cares to let us speak up!!!! If we are Roma, and look like Roma, and not being the "Yes-sayers" to the majority' ideas of Roma needs, issues and integration, then we are just not welcome. The majority knows our needs better then even their own's!!! 6. We have to do something, so at least not let them to make Mickey out of us, we need clear number, it is fact about us, it is demographic data that can help us organising our future being, and look after our community, as we have to be aware We are the ones who should care??? Tanja Vasic