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IDENTITY CARDS SHOULD BE COMPULSORY FOR IMMIGRANTS AND ASYLUM SEEKERS.
The UK currently has an ever growing problem with immigration. Immigration is a great concern for many British voters; many feel that the current system isn't working, and something drastic has to be done to effectivlety manage those that seek asylum on our shores. In November 2008 the government indroduced compulsory ID cards for foreign nationals outside of the EU. This it is hoped will make it easier for immigrants not to be "lost". With the status of immigrants becoming much easier to ascertain, it is hoped that it will reduce illegal immigrants being hired, as well as enabling immigrants that break the terms of their asylum to be deported with more ease.
Identity cards should be compulsory for immigrants and asylum seekers.
Yes, because... It will help with the detection of Illegal immigrants.
It is estimated that there are 436,000 illegal immigrants working in Britain today. The British taxpayers lose billions of pounds each year in lost tax from people working illegally. With the introduction of compulsory ID cards for immigrants it will become easier for potential employers to ascertain their right to work in this country as immigration documents can be easily forged, where as an identity card with biometric means of identification are not. The current system where-by illegal immigrants can survive beyond the system creates a dangerous situation for the immigrants themselves. As they are working illegally they are often subjected to the whims of unscrupulous employers that take advantage of them safe in the knowledge that they have limited rights.[1] The introduction of compulsory ID cards will help ‘flush out’ illegal immigrants from the system, and ensure that people being hired have the right to be within the UK.
- ^ www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/amnesty-on-illegal-immigrants-is-worth-1636bn-to-uk-472164.html
Illegal workers avoid being caught by staying outside of the system. Most illegal work transactions are paperless, off-the-record and unaccountable. Many employers that take on illegal workers do so because it is cheaper for them to do so. Therefore, introducing ID cards simply won't affect such employers because they will not request any documentation, and illegal immigrant workers will continue to be exploited.
Vote on this point: It will help with the detection of Illegal immigrants.
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Identity cards should be compulsory for immigrants and asylum seekers.
Yes, because... ID cards will allow the police more quickly to identify suspects and people they arrest.
Terrorists and criminals are known to use false and multiple identities to disguise their activities, avoid detection and ‘launder’ money.
The ‘biographical footprint’ check will make it extremely difficult to register with the National Identity Scheme under a false identity, and the scheme will not allow people to register more than once as their biometric data would be detected. While the National Identity Scheme cannot prevent terrorism, it can make it far more difficult for terrorists to conceal their identity[1]. The scheme will help the security services in their investigations into organised crime and terrorist activities and help protect the UK against threats to national security.
Unless everyone is required to carry and present their ID card - and only their ID card - for every transaction, there will still be plenty of other valid forms of ID (e.g. a passport or ID card from another EU country) in circulation. Suicide bombers seem quite content to use valid ID.
The biometric and biographical checks will not prevent multiple applications. The head of the ID programme admitted as much way back in 2005. And the Home Office has never explained how it will prevent 'ID laundering' - i.e. assuming the personal details of someone not yet registered - let alone sort out the mess when the theft is discovered, years after the criminal has been using someone's 'clean' identity as their own.
Vote on this point: ID cards will allow the police more quickly to identify suspects and people they arrest.
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Identity cards should be compulsory for immigrants and asylum seekers.
No, because... The Idea is flawed and is a waste of taxpayer’s money
The introduction of ID cards for immigrants is a flawed idea that won’t work. Illegal immigrants will still come to the UK regardless of whether there are ID Cards or not, so the function of the cards as a deterrent is negligible. The types of employers that employ illegal immigrants usually knowingly do so because illegal immigrants provide cheap labour, work jobs that are unsavoury they would find hard to fill elsewhere, and have limited rights.[1]. The cost of the whole ID card scheme is also another worry, as some put the figure to roll out the scheme at £5.4 billion.
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Identity cards should be compulsory for immigrants and asylum seekers.
No, because... ID cards specifically for immigrants and asylum seekers could serve to stigmatise these groups
An ID card system specifically for immigrants and asylum seekers would serve to isolate these groups from the rest of British society. Back in 2002, the Scottish National Party's Kenny Gibson created an outcry when he called an ID card proposed for asylum seekers the "modern equivalent" of the yellow star used in Nazi Germany to identify Jews[1]. Whilst Gibson was attacked over this reference, there is little doubt that the proposed ID card will stigmatise asylum seekers and immigrants.
Point 1. It will help with the detection of Illegal immigrants.
It is estimated that there are 436,000 illegal immigrants working in Britain today. The British taxpayers lose billions of pounds each year in lost tax from people working illegally. With the introduction of compulsory ID cards for immigrants it will become easier for potential employers to ascertain their right to work in this country as immigration documents can be easily forged, where as an identity card with biometric means of identification are not. The current system where-by illegal immigrants can survive beyond the system creates a dangerous situation for the immigrants themselves. As they are working illegally they are often subjected to the whims of unscrupulous employers that take advantage of them safe in the knowledge that they have limited rights.[1]The" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/amnesty-on-illegal-immigrants-is-worth-1636bn-to-uk-472164.html]]The introduction of compulsory ID cards will help ‘flush out’ illegal immigrants from the system, and ensure that people being hired have the right to be within the UK.
Illegal workers avoid being caught by staying outside of the system. Most illegal work transactions are paperless, off-the-record and unaccountable. Many employers that take on illegal workers do so because it is cheaper for them to do so. Therefore, introducing ID cards simply won't affect such employers because they will not request any documentation, and illegal workers will continue to be exploited.
Point 2. ID cards will allow the police more quickly to identify suspects and people they arrest.
The introduction of ID cards for immigrants is a flawed idea that won’t work. Illegal Immigrants will still come to the UK regardless of whether there are ID Cards or not so their functions as a deterrent is negligible. The types of employers that employ illegal immigrants usually knowingly do so because illegal immigrants provide cheap labour, work jobs that are unsavoury they would find hard to fill elsewhere, and have limited rights.[1]. The cost of the whole ID card scheme is also another worry, as some put the figure to roll out the scheme at £5.4 billion.
Terrorists and criminals use false and multiple identity *documents* to disguise their activities, etc.
Not all of these are/will be *British* documents, nor are they all particularly hard to get a hold of - terror suspects' 'false IDs' routinely include library tickets and bus passes. Unless everyone is required to carry and present their ID card - and only their ID card - for every transaction, there will still be plenty of other valid forms of ID (e.g. a passport or ID card from another EU country) in circulation. Suicide bombers seem quite content to use valid ID.
And note the level of surveillance implied. The government wants to record every time you rent a car, open a bank account, transfer money, book a hotel room, train ticket or flight. It doesn't know who the terrorist or criminals are, so it'll simply create a dossier on everyone 'just in case'. Woe betide anyone who accidentally 'fits the profile' of a terrorist, rapist or who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and then has to prove their innocence...
The biometric and biographical checks will NOT prevent multiple applications. The head of the ID programme admitted as much way back in 2005. And the Home Office has never explained how it will prevent 'ID laundering' - i.e. assuming the personal details of someone not yet registered - let alone sort out the mess when the theft is discovered, years after the criminal has been using someone's 'clean' identity as their own.
Biometrics are no magic bullet and the more people's biometrics you put onto a database, the worse they perform. Experts predict error rates as high as 1 in 1000 when only 10% of the population have been fingerprinted, and government trials in 2004 showed terrifyingly high real world error rates - 1 in 3 for face, 1 in 5 for fingerprints and 1 in 20 for iris. How would you like to have to prove you weren't somewhere at a certain time and date years ago, when the government ID computer says you were?
One final point: ID cards will not be compulsory to carry. The government has stressed this time and again. So, if you don't have to carry an ID card and live biometric checks simply aren't up to the job (and don't forget it'll be the middle of the 2020s or beyond before everyone has been registered, even on the most optimistic timetable) the police won't be helped at all. In fact, they'll probably end up wasting more time sorting out ID problems than catching real criminals.
Point 1. The Idea is flawed and is a waste of taxpayer’s money
The introduction of ID cards for immigrants is a flawed idea that won’t work. Illegal Immigrants will still come to the UK regardless of whether there are ID Cards or not so their functions as a deterrent is negligible. The types of employers that employ illegal immigrants usually knowingly do so because illegal immigrants provide cheap labour, work jobs that are unsavoury they would find hard to fill elsewhere, and have limited rights.[1]. The cost of the whole ID card scheme is also another worry, as some put the figure to roll out the scheme at £5.4 billion. 1.^ http://www.trevor-mendham.com/civil-liberties/identity-cards/immigration.html
Point 2. ID cards specifically for immigrants and asylum seekers could serve to stigmatise these groups
An ID card system specifically for immigrants and asylum seekers would serve to isolate these groups from the rest of British society. Back in 2002, the Scottish National Party's Kenny Gibson created an outcry when he called an ID card proposed for asylum seekers the "modern equivalent" of the yellow star used in Nazi Germany to identify Jews. Whilst Gibson was attacked over this reference, there is little doubt that the proposed ID card will stigmatise asylum seekers and immigrants.
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07 Apr 2010
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