Making citizens from a blacklist of countries undergo tougher airports security checks is wrong and won’t help.

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On the point: •Just • Just another form of racial profiling

Most terrorists are U.S, British or Arab citizens and not pure nationals of the 14 countries named. The recently caught British Nigerian bypassed security even though he was already on the terror suspects' list before boarding the plane. This goes to show that enough is not being done to check British/U.S/Arab citizens despite many being under the 'radar'.

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we know from New York's commissioner Raymond Kelly and Malcolm Gladwell's conversation that this does not work:

"We have a policy against racial profiling,"Raymond Kelly,told me(Gladwell),"I put it in here in March of the first year I was here.It's the wrong thing to do,and it's also ineffective.If you look at the London bombings,you have three British citizens of Pakistani descent. You have Germaine Lindsay, who is Jamaican. You have the next crew,on July 21st, you are East African, You have a Chechen woman in Moscow in early 2004 who blows herself up in a subway station, so whom do you profile?Look at New York City.forty percent of New Yorkers are born outside of this country(the U.S, and the rest have descended from foreigners). Look at the diversity here. Who am I supposed to profile? ....

"You think terrorists aren't aware of how easy it is to be categorized by ethnicity?"Kelly went on. "Look at the 9/11 hijackers. They came here. They shaved. They went to topless bars.They wanted to blend in.They wanted to look like they part of the American dream.These are not dumb people.Could a terrorist dress up as a Hasidic Jew and walk into the subway, and not be profiled? Yes I think profiling is just nuts" -[['What the dog saw'-Malcolm Gladwell]]

Point is, British/U.S/Arab citizens will get off the hook even more easily than they/we have in the past which means more terrorists/terrorism since all the BIG-Terrorist-dogs have these citizenships/nationalities: purely counterproductive move.


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Local people(from the 14 countries named) do not go to the U.S/U.K for the purpose of terrorism (they go for tourism ,higher education and employment mainly) .

And "NO" immigrants aren't the issue.
MOST terrorists are generally BORN in the U.K/U.S/Saudi-Arabia, unemployed or barely educated or frustrated by their maltreatment IN the west, they are 'western' because they are born there or that they have an incredible amount of international exposure(meaning they travel a lot).

This isn't about "Political Correctness" , it is about common sense: if BRITS/Americans/ARABS are let off the hook (even more than before (Nigerian(Brit) guy, shoe bomb-guy(Brit),7/7(BRITS), etc etc(mostly BRITS))

And people are hypocritically ostracized for being brown/or-looking-a-certain-way in countries that claim to be moderate/liberal; then home-grown terrorism (by racial/religious minorities) will naturally escalate.


yes, terrorists are already smart enough to go through the painstaking process of setting up their recruits overseas to gain citizenship, live there for years, blend in, etc.

WE SHOULD MAKE SURE IT STAYS THAT WAY.

we try so desperately to be "politically correct" that we are lucky they havent just sent out a bunch of locally recruited newbies right under our noses and exploded a dozen more planes already. in fact their whole "blending in schemes" to date have been made entirely pointless by our dogmatism about treating everyone the same and labeling any behavior that deviates from this standard as "racism." they must think we're truly a bunch of morons.

as long as these terrorists are forced to go through the process of gaining citizenship in another country, it makes things more difficult and time-consuming for them. i dont think that is a bad thing.

Yes, because... • Just another form of racial profiling

 

Most terrorists are U.S, British or Arab citizens and not pure nationals of the 14 countries named. The recently caught British Nigerian bypassed security even though he was already on the terror suspects' list before boarding the plane. This goes to show that enough is not being done to check British/U.S/Arab citizens despite many being under the 'radar'.

And we know from New York's commissioner Raymond Kelly and Malcolm Gladwell's conversation that this does not work:

"We have a policy against racial profiling,"Raymond Kelly,told me(Gladwell),"I put it in here in March of the first year I was here.It's the wrong thing to do,and it's also ineffective.If you look at the London bombings,you have three British citizens of Pakistani descent. You have Germaine Lindsay, who is Jamaican. You have the next crew,on July 21st, you are East African, You have a Chechen woman in Moscow in early 2004 who blows herself up in a subway station, so whom do you profile?Look at New York City.forty percent of New Yorkers are born outside of this country(the U.S, and the rest have descended from foreigners). Look at the diversity here. Who am I supposed to profile? ....

"You think terrorists aren't aware of how easy it is to be categorized by ethnicity?"Kelly went on. "Look at the 9/11 hijackers. They came here. They shaved. They went to topless bars.They wanted to blend in.They wanted to look like they part of the American dream.These are not dumb people.Could a terrorist dress up as a Hasidic Jew and walk into the subway, and not be profiled? Yes I think profiling is just nuts" -[1]

Point is, British/U.S/Arab citizens will get off the hook even more easily than they/we have in the past which means more terrorists/terrorism since all the BIG-Terrorist-dogs have these citizenships/nationalities: purely counterproductive move.

counter:

Local people(from the 14 countries named) do not go to the U.S/U.K for the purpose of terrorism (they go for tourism ,higher education and employment mainly) .

And "NO" immigrants aren't the issue. MOST terrorists are generally BORN in the U.K/U.S/Saudi-Arabia, unemployed or barely educated or frustrated by their maltreatment IN the west, they are 'western' because they are born there or that they have an incredible amount of international exposure(meaning they travel a lot).

This isn't about "Political Correctness" , it is about common sense: if BRITS/Americans/ARABS are let off the hook (even more than before (Nigerian(Brit) guy, shoe bomb-guy(Brit),7/7(BRITS), etc etc(mostly BRITS))

And people are hypocritically ostracized for being brown/or-looking-a-certain-way in countries that claim to be moderate/liberal; then home-grown terrorism (by racial/religious minorities) will naturally escalate.

  1. ^ 'What the dog saw'-Malcolm Gladwell

 

yes, terrorists are already smart enough to go through the painstaking process of setting up their recruits overseas to gain citizenship, live there for years, blend in, etc.

WE SHOULD MAKE SURE IT STAYS THAT WAY.

we try so desperately to be "politically correct" that we are lucky they havent just sent out a bunch of locally recruited newbies right under our noses and exploded a dozen more planes already. in fact their whole "blending in schemes" to date have been made entirely pointless by our dogmatism about treating everyone the same and labeling any behavior that deviates from this standard as "racism." they must think we're truly a bunch of morons.

as long as these terrorists are forced to go through the process of gaining citizenship in another country, it makes things more difficult and time-consuming for them. i dont think that is a bad thing.

 
22 February 2011